12/30/2011 12:10:32 PM
Section 9: Hunting
Subject: Black Rifles In The Field Msg# 815396
Tradition is the response I get from guys who see AR's as not good for our sport. They say it makes hunters look like GI Joe killing Bambi. That, to me, is just a way to appease the anti's.
I disagree because every rifle started out as a military rifle to start with. Even the lever action was meant for the military. Even though it was never officially adopted it was used by some soldiers. The best bolt action design ever invented (Mauser) is still used today in "hunting" rifles.
Hunter do have tradition. Tradition has been to evolve with the times in the firearms available to us to use to cleanly take our prey humanely. The AR is the future here today. AR's have a proven track record to be accurate and as you pointed out, powerful!
Thank you for your input.
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Yes, there should be no question of ethics whatsoever since there is no mechanical difference between an AR15 and any other semi-auto that has already been used in the field for the last 100 years. The only, and I mean only difference is appearance. I do understand that it does bother a lot of hunters who cannot see past looks, but that's their problem. I do recognize the importance of tradition to people, and hunting is very traditional, which I respect--but you asked me about ethics. We shouldn't muddy the ethical waters unfairly.
There's a lot to be said for the AR15 for progressive rifleman/hunter who likes owning multiple calibers and yet doesn't want a half dozen hunting rifles in his safe that he'll only use once a year when he can own an AR15 that he'll shoot year 'round. If he has an AR15 lower he can have multiple uppers in different chamberings as well as different barrel lengths, all mounted with different optics for different game and different hunting seasons. He might be able to put these all together with one bolt or he might need a couple of fitted bolts of different sizes. And contrary to some expectations that one needs an AR10, which we usually think of as a .308-size AR compared to the .223-size AR15, many larger caliber rifles can be built on the AR15 size rifle and don't require an AR10, which of course is a larger rifle--meaning a completely different lower.
Remington has actually been at the forefront of the AR15-as-a-hunting rifle with their R-15, which comes in .204 Ruger, .223 Remington, the .30AR, which is very good .30 caliber deer cartridge, and the .450 Bushmaster, which is a powerful big bore. Of course Remington also offers their R-25, which is an AR10-size rifle available in .243 Winchester, 7mm-08, and .308 Winchester for those who want the large size rifle.
But Remington just offers the tip of the iceberg, and there are dozens of chamberings that can be had with not much hassle and not very expensively compared to buying a lot of separate hunting rifles at $750 to $1500 each these days.
And really, doesn't this look more like a hunting rifle than military weapon? They're not all "black rifles" anymore.